Saturday, January 13. 2007Immanentize the Eschaton!Trackbacks
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Probably only JMG will see this comment as I went back and read this post when it was mneitoned in a comment on a much later post.Not everyone who thinks of civilization, or at the very least civilization as it has existed for the past 10,000 years, as a dead end is necessarily "immanentizing the Eschaton". I agree with the primitivist critique of civilization mostly because I think agriculture and the very complex societies to which it gives rise are totally unsustainable. Horticulture such as was practiced by the Natives who inhabited this continent before the arrival of Columbus can be sustainable, as long as those practicing it recognize and revere their connection with nature and because of that live within certain limits. The thing is, a society that does so will experience limitations on how complex it may become. That is why it is not appropriate to call it "civilization" as we know it. There may be some complexity, but increasing complexity for its own sake would not be possible for a sustainable human society observing those limits.Such societies, when its human parts are doing things properly, are functional, sustainable, and adaptable. That doesn't mean it's "Paradise", though it may be perceived as paradise in comparison to the havoc civilization has wraught. It is widely known that many American colonists who experienced Native life "went Native" to live with and as who we now call Native Americans. The only time the "Indians", as we once called them, "went White" is when they converted to Xtianity because they survived the smallpox epidemic that we brought over that wiped out so many Native populations; the survivors who converted did so because they were badly traumatized and believed the missionaries who told them the pandemic was "God's punishment" for the Natives' not being Xtians. The smallpox was so virulent, by the way, because the horrors of civilization in Europe made it so with overcrowding in cities, domestication of animals, and bad living conditions.Some tribes also converted wholesale to the European colonist way of life as a survival strategy. They thought that adapting the way of life that appeared to be taking over would prevent them from having their land and sustenance taken from them. But because the White people from civilization perceived the Natives as being racially inferior, these adopters of colonist life had their land taken from them anyway. That's another aspect of civilization, namely destroying or enslaving other societies simply because the "others" are "different" in some way such as skin-color, even if the "others" change themselves to please the invader's notion of truth and the right way to live.Perhaps the persistence of such outrages are why those who would defend the "necessity" of civilization have to cling to morally, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt nonsense so very often in order to mount their defense. Yes, primitive people can be bad and warlike, but the limits on their complexity places natural limits on how much damage more destructive primitives can do.
Wanted to write to you about this but didn't know where to put it. I've read all your Sinister Forces books and enjoy them.
I've come across a very strange confirmation of one of the things you write about Manson. In one of the tracks on the CD "Manson Speaks", which is available for free online if you do a little searching, Manson declares that he's deeper than the U.S., deeper in than the colonists, deeper than the native americans and that he in the mounds. I don't know if you came across this when writing the Sinister Forces books but it's really strange to hear Manson himself talk about it. I have the album but the phrase is buried somewhere and I can't find it at the moment. Did you know that Manson himself referenced the mounds in Kentucky? |
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